Posts by Frazzled UBM

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I'm Catholic and madly in love with a Jehovah Witness...

by Luge62 in

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we are madly in love with each other and she is in the process of being divorced.

let me make one thing clear i'm not the reason for the divorce.

she attempted to reconcile with him but to no avail.

Frazzled UBM

Luge

The best thing you can do is not take any of these posts as gospel but heed the warnings in them. You are taking on plenty of risk by getting involved with a JW but it could turn out a number of ways - it could go down the horror path painted by many or it could turn out fine as it has for me and others -- read back through some of my early threads to see how scary it can get and then the later ones to see how I made progress. The key though is to properly understand the BITE (behavioural, information, thought and emotional) control the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society exercises (principally through fear and psychological manipulation) over its membership and how that can impact the behaviour of your loved one and her family. It is a truly evil organisation. Do not let love blind you to the risks and dangers. My inactive JW wife and I are very happy after knowing each other for 10+ years and being married for 5. PM me if it would help.

Good luck Frazzled

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Grandparents take disfellowshipped daughter to court to insist on right to preach to four year old

by usualusername1 in

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http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/jehovah-s-witness-grandparents-ordered-to-keep-faith-to-themselves-1.3282193 .

a pair of devout jehovah's witnesses have been ordered by a b.c.

provincial court judge not to talk about religion in front of their four-year-old granddaughter.. the couple lost their bid for unsupervised access to the girl because they insisted on taking her to worship at their faith's kingdom hall despite the repeated objections of the child's mother.. the girl is identified only as a.w.

Frazzled UBM

A good decision but still unfortunate that the court's treat the JW religion as just another religion rather than abusive indoctrination that is harmful to children. The mother obviously learnt this over time and realised the improtance of protecting her child from it. I hope in future that courts can see through the freedom of religion dogma and recognise that some so called religions are harmful to children and that children need protection from the indoctrination they practice.

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A nuclear war take place and a 1/3 of the world population is wiped from the face of the earth.

by James Mixon in

how many of you would return to jehovah, wt?

better yet, how many jws would walk???.

i do believe it will happen one day....

Frazzled UBM

"I do believe it will happen?" Please spare us your delusional thinking. We survived MAD (Mutually Assured Destruction) during the Cold War and with every year that has passed since then the risk of nuclear war has diminished.

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My brother-in-law just graduated PSS

by Frazzled UBM in

so i was scrolling down facebook and i saw that my brother-in-law was getting lots of likes and congrats (including sadly from my wife) for graduating pss.

initially i thought peter pan (he is incredibly immature for a 23 year old) had gone against character and completed some sort of educational or vocational course until i found that pss stood for pioneer service school.

i was tempted to comment how sad this was but instead commented that "no matter how much you do they will always make you feel like it is not enough".

Frazzled UBM

stan - you are right - Filipino JWs don't shun disfellowshipped family members but others in the congregation do. Good luck with bringing her over to the UK.

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My brother-in-law just graduated PSS

by Frazzled UBM in

so i was scrolling down facebook and i saw that my brother-in-law was getting lots of likes and congrats (including sadly from my wife) for graduating pss.

initially i thought peter pan (he is incredibly immature for a 23 year old) had gone against character and completed some sort of educational or vocational course until i found that pss stood for pioneer service school.

i was tempted to comment how sad this was but instead commented that "no matter how much you do they will always make you feel like it is not enough".

Frazzled UBM

So I got home expecting a reaction from my wife but nothing - she hadn't seen my fb comment I suspect. I then checked my fb account to see the reaction and saw that I had a like for my comment. "Ah" I thought "an apostate on fb" but then I realised that it was another member of my bro-in-law's PSS graduasting class who had posted the "like". So much for my comment causing congitive dissonance - these people are so far gone that they think that a comment suggesting they can never do enough is a good thing. Very sad.

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My brother-in-law just graduated PSS

by Frazzled UBM in

so i was scrolling down facebook and i saw that my brother-in-law was getting lots of likes and congrats (including sadly from my wife) for graduating pss.

initially i thought peter pan (he is incredibly immature for a 23 year old) had gone against character and completed some sort of educational or vocational course until i found that pss stood for pioneer service school.

i was tempted to comment how sad this was but instead commented that "no matter how much you do they will always make you feel like it is not enough".

Frazzled UBM

Mad irishman - maybe you are right, it was crappy but it was also true - he might think that by Pioneering he will be doing the right thing but it won't be long before he is made to feel that whatever hours etc. he has been putting in it is not good enough because -- making the r&F feel bad about themselves is what the org specialises in...it was my attempt at sowing some cognitive dissonance...it just turned my stomach to see my wife Liking this state of affairs and other people congratulating him on something that is self-evidently not a good thing for him. As for being kind, like they say in the classics: "sometimes you need to be cruel to be kind". Frazzled

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My brother-in-law just graduated PSS

by Frazzled UBM in

so i was scrolling down facebook and i saw that my brother-in-law was getting lots of likes and congrats (including sadly from my wife) for graduating pss.

initially i thought peter pan (he is incredibly immature for a 23 year old) had gone against character and completed some sort of educational or vocational course until i found that pss stood for pioneer service school.

i was tempted to comment how sad this was but instead commented that "no matter how much you do they will always make you feel like it is not enough".

Frazzled UBM

Magnum - my wife and I live in London - she is Filipino - I am Australian. I don't mind assisting the family as the Philippines doesn't offer the same opportunities as London but I do get annoyed when family members are not doing everything they can to become self-sufficient. I would be very happy to provide money so my brother-in-law could study something to improve his capacity to work but that ani't going to happen anytime soon. My father-in-law is to blame for the cult's influence over the family. They lost one family member due to this cult (the elders pushed her so far into a corner she took her own life) but he would never recognise this and so now he has pushed his youngest down the Pioneer route. Very sad.

Kate - my wife has more money in the bank than I do because she keeps what she earns, I give her a monthly allowance and I pay the mortgage and all the household outgoings. It works for us because when we need money for holidays or other lumpy expenses it comes out of her account. In due course we will also use that money to buy property in the Philippines (hopefully on a beach).

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My brother-in-law just graduated PSS

by Frazzled UBM in

so i was scrolling down facebook and i saw that my brother-in-law was getting lots of likes and congrats (including sadly from my wife) for graduating pss.

initially i thought peter pan (he is incredibly immature for a 23 year old) had gone against character and completed some sort of educational or vocational course until i found that pss stood for pioneer service school.

i was tempted to comment how sad this was but instead commented that "no matter how much you do they will always make you feel like it is not enough".

Frazzled UBM

So I was scrolling down Facebook and I saw that my brother-in-law was getting lots of likes and congrats (including sadly from my wife) for graduating PSS. Initially I thought Peter Pan (he is incredibly immature for a 23 year old) had gone against character and completed some sort of educational or vocational course until I found that PSS stood for Pioneer Service School. I was tempted to comment how sad this was but instead commented that "no matter how much you do they will always make you feel like it is not enough". Just trying to give him a dose of reality but I am sure my wife will not be happy even though she seems to have abandoned the cult. But by my way of thinking he is wasting his life and this would be fine if it didn't impact on me personally but my wife (using my money) already provides him with some financial support (no unemployment benefits in the Philippines) and this is set to continue indefinitely now he has become a Pioneer (I bet we will still be supporting him financially even after my own kids are self-sufficient). I hate the thought that I am indirectly subsidizing this cult. Just venting.

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America Mass Shooting: 10/1/2015

by adjusted knowledge in

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since this will be the norm in america, perhaps we should put a date on each of these topics.

can't really put school mass shooting because too many to choose from.

Frazzled UBM

Two things drive gun culture in the US: (1) valuing property rights ahead of human life; and (2) taking a negative view of the rest of humanity (fear prevails over compassion). That is why the US will not follow the UK and Australia in relation to gun control - while they have a common heritage they have fundamentally different social and political cultures and values.

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VA shooting suspect was raised a JW! He mentions it on his Twitter account

by WingCommander in

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anyone in the usa following this morning's shooting "on-air" live tv will know what i'm talking about.

bryce williams (not real name, but on-air name) shot and killed 2 people on live television this morning in roanoke, va. he was wearing a go-pro camera, and uploaded his first-person video onto his social media accounts.

i've seen his twitter feed (before it was taken down), and not very far down he mentions being raised a jw.

Frazzled UBM

The Rebel has summed up the reason why this debate is going nowhere, brilliantly - equating gun ownership to democracy - only the US's radical brand of Lockean liberalism results in this type of thinking - it is the ideological element that takes it beyond rational debate. Simon - if I were you I would stop wasting your time trying to reason with the pro-gun writers. Their ideology prevents them from engaging in a rational discourse.

I read an interesting article in the LA Times on why the US is a global superpower in mass shootings. It put forward four factors that when taken together sets the US apart: 1. gun ownership - at 88.8 guns per 100 people the US has by far the highest (Yemen is second with around 50 per 100); 2. the way the American dream creates frustration and a sense of failure by creating personal expectations that many are incapable of achieving; 3. the cult of celebrity at any price; and 4. the poor quality of mental healthcare.